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Post by diadhuit on May 11, 2021 9:46:15 GMT 9
A suggestion has been made that we look at changing the way contract offers are made so that more value is given to the salary being offered and less to the length of contract as that can often skew things. The example was given, why would an NBA player accept an offer of $250,000 x 4 years (2.25 points) over $1,000,000 x 1 year (1.5 points) and they wouldn't, so why does the lowball bid win in our league? One of the suggestions was to lower the value of years to 0.25 points so the value of the above bids would both be 1.25 points or even to 0.2 which would mean the higher cash bid winning out. Thoughts?
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Post by mattyc on May 11, 2021 10:04:02 GMT 9
Didn't we make a change to this system last year too? But, I agree...making it better is a smart idea. 0.25 per year looks like a good number.
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Post by pdanielw on May 11, 2021 12:12:50 GMT 9
I wholeheartedly agree with the original post here.
.25 per year seems like a good idea.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 15:56:24 GMT 9
when I brought this up, i mentioned that we should do some math on a variety of permutations to make sure it makes sense for big and small contracts, and a few different years. I think it will, but also thought that when we changed it last time.
The original change is because we made an error from the outset.
Another options is that a bid for the same total amount of money for a shorter period wouldn't have to exceed the previous bid.
So, 2 x 500 would beat 4 x 250. it wouldn't have to exceed the point total. You can equal another point total if the years are lower.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 16:28:47 GMT 9
Won't this artificially inflate salaries as a whole? if salary is a factor when trying to re-sign guys, I'd vote for keeping it the same as it is now. Increasing salaries at a time when the cap number is uncertain isn't appealing either.
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Post by diadhuit on May 11, 2021 16:51:57 GMT 9
It won’t affect re-signs as that is dealt with by comparing players and stats to other re-signed players and not players who were signed in free agency. This would have an effect on free agency because salary would now, hopefully, count more than years offered.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 17:23:39 GMT 9
I think we need to discuss the re-sign rules. Why are free agent salaries not taken into consideration as comparables? Free agent salaries should absolutely be considered when doing comparables in my opinion. With this system, it almost seems detrimental to re-sign guys.
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Post by mattyc on May 11, 2021 18:33:27 GMT 9
The problem with comparing with FA would be that they are much lowered in value. During the season managers have less money and less room to move than during the re-signing period.
I 100% agree that it almost doesn't seem worth it to re-sign a player. Taking Siakam for example, I bet I could have gotten him as a FA cheaper than my original bid.
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Post by diadhuit on May 11, 2021 19:32:49 GMT 9
You could've gotten him cheaper as a re-sign too But you're 100% right, sometimes it would probably make more sense to just try to re-sign them in free agency. That's what you need to figure out.
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Post by mattyc on May 12, 2021 7:33:57 GMT 9
That is why I said "original" bid
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 12:13:17 GMT 9
I don't really understand why we are eliminating maybe 75% of players as comps because they were F.A and not re-sign. I don't agree with the argument that "guys don't have money to spend in F.A" as opposed to re-sign. If we look at the bidding process for most top free-agents, there were a lot of gm's bidding, so I believe that is a fair market value and should be able to be used for salary comp purposes. With the current system, I really don't see any benefit to re-signing a guy. I hope this can at least be voted on.
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Post by diadhuit on May 12, 2021 13:24:21 GMT 9
It would be unfair to use because, for example, you have Christian Wood for $250,000 who you signed in free agency. How can he be used a fair comparison salary-wise when trying to re-sign someone?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 13:55:06 GMT 9
He was signed mid-season. I wouldn't expect him to be used as a comp. I'm strictly talking about guys who were free agents at the start of the season and who were bid on multiple times by multiple teams.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 14:00:42 GMT 9
let's keep that the re-sign discussion in another thread.
The year calculation is all about trying to figure out the most logical way of calcualting the best bid.
Back to the original argument:
If I offer a guy 250k for 4 years, he'll make 1 million in the 4 years. For you to beat me in the bid, you have to offer 2 points more...the nonly want to do that is to offer him 450k over 4 years or other bigger increments in pay. But, $1 million for 1 year is way more attractive to a player than 250k over 4. In the real world, a player would always take the $1 mill.
So, how can we figure out a formula that addresses this.
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Post by mattyc on May 12, 2021 18:03:58 GMT 9
If we use 0.25pts = for one year
250,000 x 4 years = 1.25pts 1,000,000 x 1 year = 1.25pts
But there needs to be an increase of .2pts on each bid. How do we make the 2nd offer the better one, because as Corey said, that is the one a player would sign.
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